F2 promotion

[John Daley]

Bin thinking over Xmas.
The Vic. F2 state champs are being held at the HMRAV April Meeting at Broadford. www.hmrav.org

But, I reckon if we could find some decent prize money created by a fund that generates something to offer.
Its long winded, but that may just be what we need to give the F2 a boost.
Why F2 , they are my pet area after PC outfits. And I reckon they are the most poorly organised group on the planet. Perhaps some enticement is the only way they will get organised.

I have a few ideas, but some of them would involve the F2 teams actually helping.
1- Sell raffle tickets to come to a ride day or the SC RCV day
2- Show the bikes at a motorcycle show, and sell tickets or just promote
3- We find a company that is prepared to come for the ride and create a package that is suitable to all parties.

What do you think?

If you are going to bag it I will scrub your responce.

[John Daley]

 Some thoughts have been sent to me.
Both of which would require the efforts of F2 teams to participate.
 I dont envisage a fund raising scheme where I or others who do not ride F2's do all the work. I see my role to foster ideas and manage the efforts with others.

1. Get approval from clubs to sell raffle tickets on behalf of the F2 fund.
2. In the UK a raffle was held at about $20 a ticket for a ride as a passenger at an open meeting. The winner was loaned gear and had a practise session with the sidecar prior to an event and then partook as the passenger at an event.
3. MV will permit us to raffle a Broadford medallion which would open up the range of people whom may purchase tickets.

4. If all F2's use the same sized tyre we may be able to work out a deal.

[John Daley]

An idea to ensure maximimum interest is obtained by all teams, the following plan for distribution of funding would be as follows.

In SA one of the clubs promotes an award based on improvement of times across an event and events.
So it opens up the chances of anybody being the top improver.

 Sure people may try and fudge the results but when we have found out which club manages the scheme I am sure we will find solutions to that matter.

At this moment I would like to see a pot with $5000-$10,000 in it.

Sure some of you may laugh, but remember when we had only 4 sidecars racing at the 2004 Island Classic at Phillip Island and in 2009 we had 31.

[John Daley]

So the plan has been completed in terms of methodology.

Each time a team enters a meeting as determined in Victoria they are eligible for one raffle ticket

At the year end
1- all teams who have attended the maximum number of events, say 6 events, will participate in the Grand draw for 70% of the total prize pool
2- All teams that competed at 3-5 will participate in the Supplementry draw of 20% of the total prize pool.
3- All teams who made it to 1 or 2 events will participate in the Consulation draw for  10% of the total prize pool.
There will be no 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Just one winner in each group.

Entering a meeting will be defined as arriving and starting in all races on Saturday and at least 1/2 of Sundays races.


This may be subject to change after discussions, but you can see where the concept is going.

The overall plan is to encourage F2 teams to attend meetings in Victoria.
The whole scheme will be overseen by three poeople who are ytet to be found.

[Chris]

John , I understand your motives, but I'm wondering if you know how many F2s are out there? to my knowledge there are 2 running bikes in Vic , 1 has done virtually every meeting their eligible at for the last 7-8 years the other comes and goes depending on their circumstance at the time. I know of 3 other F2s, 1 a project that has yet to be finished , 1 ran and was pulled apart who knows when it will be running again. the third well it hasn't been seen for a very long time, so I don't even know if it still exists. 
I know when the HMRAV ran the Vic Titles for F2 the most Vic bikes was 3 bikes, the rest were from NSW .
From time to time we all go how can we encourage people to bring their bikes out of the shed, I'm not sure if that is the right approach I think we need to encourage and look after the people racing today and look to getting new people into the sport ( all classes) . If some one wants to race they will.   
not trying to be negative, just stating facts as I see them

[John Daley]

Chris, the more comment the better.

New blood seemed to be the way with reserecting the historics, so that is probally the way it will go.
I am aware of 3-4 other F2 that have never raced, I have one which I will probally never finsih anyway.

This whole plan is to try and entice people to consider F2 as their choice of sidecar. They can race at almost any track, even with Historics if organised, at Interclub and the old farts.
I would expect the NSW blokes to be interested in coming down since there does not seem to be many opportunities for them at home.
I would expect most eventys for them would be a Broadford, with perhaps a Hartwell clubbie at the Island.
 
So the opportunity to race is there,

[wozz1960]

Just a few questions,

What F2 sidecars are on the market at this present time Does anyone know Maybe this would be a good starting point if you are thinking of using this class as a entry point into racing (what bikes they can buy)

Do clubs have a list of what bikes (all classes) there members have (racing/ sitting in garages)that might be for sale if approached

Can that list be forwarded to a central person (Committee) (this is all classes)...... This central point will need to have a great knowledge of the different types of outfits around and be a willing participate in the sale process if required.

One thing I have difficulty with is where do I get certain parts when I require them( one thing I had trouble with was brake rotors off a windle wheel) Maybe the above list might help with this.

I realise there is a group of people who are working on the Australian Title at present and that is a great start to the 2010 race year, Wouldn't it be great if it was a dual championship F1 as well as F2.
After all 2009 championship started with 4 F2's at Eastern Creek.

I think a major thing to remember if you choose to have a committee to support and foster growth within the "Sidecar Fraternity"  we as members need to support the committee as well. It's easy to be a "knocker" hard to be a "Doer".....The best support you can give is to be at the race meetings and participate.

I understand financial constraints are always at the forefront of the decisions we make before entering a race meeting, so maybe any committee formed should first look at how the cost can be minimised. Maybe running the Australian title within club rounds is a great start to this reduction of costs. and the sidecar fraternity are supporting the clubs who are supporting us.

Regards




 

[John Daley]

Wozz, the function of thsi site is to build sidecar fields and have a place where people can "talk".
If you think there is an extra "Board" needed here to cover your needs let me know. Also if you want to become an "administrator" for NSW also let me know. It only involves helping to identify new memebers and I guess talking up the site.

 If race meeting costs are high I dont know why you dont stick with club racing.
I know in Victoria my club, the HMRAV has been activily promoting F2, in part becuse Ron Trounson had one and it becuae they fit in well against the P4 and P5 sidecars.

Preston MCC is very keen to build its numbers as well, and through the state management committee, we have created two club classe for sidecars-
Clubman 1981- 1993
Pre Modern 1994 -2000

It has pulled two clubmans out racing.

[Chris]

[One thing I have difficulty with is where do I get certain parts when I require them( one thing I had trouble with was brake rotors off a windle wheel) Maybe the above list might help with this.]

Perhaps we could start a Tech forum on this site where questions like this can be asked, I don't expect it to be too good at the start but I think it could grow once more people become aware,

just a thought

Chris
 

[John Daley]

We do have a Techincal section now called Technical / rules. Maybe I shall spilt that.

[Davo]

Hi Guys
I gotta agree with both Wozza & Grub.
This site is about Sidecar Racing in Australia is it not?

Where is a better place than here to air Ideas & forward suggestions for all to read.
Maybe someone may take up the thoughts & suggestions from this site and actually run with them
Money is always a factor which everyone is more than aware of, keeping costs down to keep Bikes on the track i get that.
New blood is most certainly needed,that's a no brainer!
So where are the outfits to put the young blood on???
Who builds/Repairs them/Costs & Spare parts etc
This is the information that clubs need to circulate around to attract new blood
The other problem is that some promoters don't run Sidecars at all WHY!!! Is it us Ourselves?
PCRA certainly do or there would be none in NSW at all.
We all know sidecars are crowd pleasers we hear it enough
But what can be done to challenge them into promoting us???
Promoters still think we dump our lunches trackside all the time which is total crap we know
So yes i do think this is the place to air it, already the ideas are here including yours

I don't have the answers either,but other comments here also make good sense don't shoot them down just listen
I dont want to see Sidecars die a sad death,there great fun to ride & great to watch
Lets hope it grows for our younger generations to follow

Regards

[westy12]

Hey guys,  I agree F2 is a good way to get people involved. I have a 2002 DMR which I brought 2 weeks after the isle of man TT in 2003. After I got it home I had a few engine issues which set me back quite a bit. My first big meeting was the stars at PI in 05. I found it very frustrating trying to compete with the bigger bikes so built a F1. This took me 3 years and a lot of money, and proved to be a complete waste of time because a minor structural failure caused me to smash into a concrete wall at eastern creek. This resulted in a smashed femur and a dis-located shoulder.
Since the F1 was completely destroyed I'v gone back to the F2 and have fitted a 05 head and brought a Haltech EMS which has converted from FCR carbs to injection.
Basically if we can get more F2's on the grid I would be wrapped. Racing in NSW is a non event this year, I would be happy to  travel to Vic if there will be f2's to compete against.
I'll be happy to pass on any advice about R6 yamahas that may help people get going.

Reguards Westy!