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[John Daley]

At Modern meetings the welcoming of earlier era sidecars is proposed to help boost numbers until more sidecars are bought, sold, bartered or built such that the fields are self sustaining.

 The beautiful LCR style machines will never get a chance to race in big fields if the back ground numbers of machines continue the current down turn.


The plan involves placing earlier model machines into categories, building the fields as much as we can, creating opportunities for new teams to get involved and hopefully over time some drift to the more modern machines.
The categories, based on year of manufacture as described below, are listed.
Note, if after a year or so we need to alter the years that will be done.
Basic details will apply;
1 - NB. Year of manufacture for machines will be taken as the latest year of manufacture of either the frame or the engine. If a frame is reproduced, details in writing of the original must be supplied.
2 - Whatever year you enter under, the machine MUST comply with the rules which applied to that year. 
3 -  You will not be permitted to run items from a much later period on earlier model machines.
4 - Engine capacity restrictions for each year as specified for each year will remain. If an engine is over sized it will be bumped up the categories.

Example  - A 2001 engine in a 1994 frame will race as a 2001 machine.


Pre 31 Dec 1980 machines are classed as Historics by Motorcycling Australia and will be invited to enter the Clubman category.
Older machines may take positions away from later classes or categories if that is the way the race results finish up. This will encourage good racing.

Clubman category - 1 Jan 1981 to 31 Dec. 1992

 Max. engine capacity 1000cc 4 stroke, 500cc 2 stroke.


  Pre modern category between 1 Jan 1993 and 31 Dec. 2000

 Max. engine capacity
 F1  2 strokes 500cc and 4 strokes 1200cc 
 F2  2 strokes 350cc and 4 strokes 600cc 4 cylinder or 1000cc Twins.

Any machine which does not comply with the current 2008 rules is eligible for pre modern if it conforms with the relevant MoMs for the year it is classified within.

Moderns anything beyond 1 Jan. 2001

 
Note, the older categories cannot be called classes unless it is ratified by MA.

It is my guess we could come up with some sort of award for the machines that have success on an annual basis but I assume that would be sorted out by the State based management committees.

 At this stage my idea is to try and get something happening in Victoria and see how it works out and then advance to greater heights as the occassion arises.

Another important point is we should consider encouraging outfits to attend specfic meetings, something that has been happening in Victoria, and talk with clubs through the management committee to plan for continued sidecar support at specific meetings.
The interclub can accommodate sidecars and we may need to specify meetings that are not close to another to which sidecars will turn up in numbers.

[John Daley]

Fellas I would love to get some feedback, hopefully but even an alternative. Because we are working to get something happening and need to know if it has support.
 I can say that I have 10 commitments of involvement, but some additional public support would go a log why to encouraging others.

[feral 2]

hi john . the proposed format looks ok and if something isnt done nationally sidecar numbers will drop to a point of no return . with the new limit set to 1000cc for f1 with no provision for club-bikes [pre modern] the cost of updating engines to gsxr- r1-cbr -zx10 is more than some are worth [no offense meant , fun doesnt have a price] lessor engines still cost .

[John Daley]

Feral I do not understand exactly what you are saying. Can you be clearer about the capacity issue?

[feral 2]

hi john . the 2009 gcrs are out now , in the modern category sidecars are either f1 or f2 , if you have an f1,the capacity must not exceed 1000cc , there is no provision for club-bike / premodern , so we either spend major dollars to compete against ourselves as we have , because a new motor does not an LCR make , or we try and get unity to have this era recognised . yes i have one of those built in 1993 running a 1994 engined machines , as do 40% up north .

[John Daley]

OK I understand the issue better. I did realise the engine capacities had changed.

Now Clubman and Pre modern are 'sub classes' we formed in Vic just to get bikes on the track. We did the same with P4 Historics withan 836cc Class for sidecars.

Currently none of these sub classses are recognised by anybody else, and I had indications MA would not really be interested.

Comew what may the implimentation of them has built numbers dramatically in the Historics and we hope it will do the same with the later classes.

All it takes is gfor you to group together, talk with the promoting club and get entries. I have no doubt it will fire up once the word gets around.

Call me on 03 9888 4387 bh if you wish. Regards